remember, he went in and destroyed rick santorum, destroyed newt gingrich with huge amounts of super pac money. you can do that and clear the field for yourself in the primaries in the caucuses and you can destroy house members. is that still true with big money? >> i believe both those statements are still true. look, in house races you still have -- the media markets are small enough that a relative small amount of money can provide the loudest megaphone in the race, louder than the candidates themselves. and so they can still influence those races. that's certainly true. and, look, there's no other way to explain the way that mitt romney got the republican nomination than through the kind of metaphorical equivalent of firebombing at dresden when it came to rick perry, newt gingrich, and rick santorum. the way that he won, despite all the problems with the republican base, he won through overwhelming financial force, and a lot of that money did come from restore our future, from the super pac that was backing him. he could not have been the nominee had it not been for that money. >